The internet as it is sucks in no uncertain terms.

While I dislike some of those regulations, I have no will to fight for the status quo.

> Do people not realize that they're going after Reddit, YouTube, and other sites, too?

Consider that I have a profound hatred for both YouTube and Reddit.

Why should I care?

I have been using DeepSeek at home. I have access to Claude and ChatGPT at work.

I honestly think that DeepSeek is as good, and sometimes even better, than the competition.

> I hope we can think about some answers and not get tribal though because this is really a huge problem and also a huge opportunity and so a minor reminder that there is a baby in that bathwater?

I think no answers are needed.

If anyone can build the software they need, no ecosystem will be needed. There will be no maintainers because no one will be using his thing.

If it makes sense (economical, but no limited to it), then it will progress in that direction. If it makes no sense it is a fad that eventually dies out.

There may or may not be a baby in the bathwater. In truth nothing in this bathtub matter too much.

I think this makes sense for apps, but the apps will still need infrastructure and common protocols to interoperate. It still won’t make sense to implement your own cryptography.

Why not?

If you can vibecode your app, you can vibecode your cryptography as well.

You may object to it but that, too, would be elitism. And the person vibecoding has no idea why proper cryptography matters anyway. Or why proper anything matters.

This is the ultimate realization of "my ignorance is as good as your knowledge".

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing.

Because doing enough security reviews to remove all the security bugs gets expensive, and if you use well-reviewed code, it's already been done.

Sometimes I envy the illiterate.

At least they cannot read this ridiculous load of propaganda.

Don't go too hard on yourself on this, you are doing just fine.

Given enough time on HN, we will all get there someday.

Gee, I wonder why?

Maybe because the Israel-US axis decided it was a good idea to start bombing them earlier this year? Could be that?

Perhaps, and this is a long shot, they see military equipment close to their border as a threat?

People get weird like that when countries start bombing their schoolgirls into minced meat.

Or maybe Iran decided to start building nuclear weapons? They already have long range missiles, with enough range to strike most of Europe. Iran can place a nuclear warhead on one of these missiles, and they have an ICBM.

This entire conflict was fully avoidable if Iran never pursued nuclear weapons.

Why can't Iran just be a normal country, and not pursue nuclear weapons?

> Or maybe Iran decided to start building nuclear weapons?

Is that a good excuse to turn schoolgirls into minced meat?

Also, let's not pretend this started in a vacuum. The US has been interfering in Iran for many decades.

> This entire conflict was fully avoidable if Iran never pursued nuclear weapons.

> Why can't Iran just be a normal country, and not pursue nuclear weapons?

If anything, history shows that every country should pursue Nuclear weapons.

That is the best insurance policy one can have against the US.

Iran would largely be left to itself if it did not pursue hostile foreign policy against countries in the region.

Is Iran in a better position after firing missiles at Azerbaijan, Oman, and Turkey? All three of these countries were neutral or friendly towards Iran, until Iran fired missiles at each unprompted.

Its current situation is largely self-inflicted, and a result of poor foreign policy choices.

> If anything, history shows that every country should pursue Nuclear weapons.

Why stop there, we should give every person on Earth nuclear weapons.

That policy will lead to world peace, since there will be no world left to live in.

>Iran would largely be left to itself if it did not pursue hostile foreign policy against countries in the region.

Nice to show how ignorant of history you are.

Same to you. The events you are referring to occurred over half a century ago. Iran has had far more than enough time to move on, and adapt its foreign policy.

Attacking the majority of your neighbors in 2026, including countries who are pursuing friendly relations to you, is a stupid foreign policy.

Weren't they targeting US bases in those countries?

Initially yes, but then Iran began targeting everything of value nearby. Bridges in Bahrain, Dubai airport (struck 4-5 times), apartment buildings in Dubai, desalination plants in Kuwait, schools in Azerbaijan, LNG facilities in Qatar, pumping stations in Saudi Arabia, power plants in UAE, oil storage in Oman, etc.

Azerbaijan has no US military bases, it has no Israeli military bases, it has no ties to the current conflict, yet Iran still fired drones at a school in Azerbaijan, without justification.

Near a school and "allegedly"

  Azerbaijan’s Ministry of Defense stated that four Iranian drones attacked Nakhchivan, one of which was neutralized by the Azerbaijani army while others targeted civilian infrastructure. One drone fell on the terminal building of Nakhchivan International Airport, while another landed near a school building in the village of Shakarabad, according to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan, resulting in damage to the airport and injuries to four civilians.

..

  Iran's foreign minister Abbas Araghchi and Iranian diplomat Kazem Gharibabadi denied that Iran had attacked Azerbaijan. Araghchi suggested that it was an Israeli false flag operation to draw Azerbaijan into the conflict with Iran.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_alleged_Iranian_strikes_o...

In the volume of drones fired this appears as little more than four wayward drones targeted as a result of an accident or miscommunication - the best guesses being bad intel about an anti Iran meeting or a deliberate false flag.

You addressed one item from a list of ten examples. Why ignore the rest of the list?

Dubai airport was struck four or five times. Qatar's LNG facilities. Kuwait's desalination plants. Bahrain's bridges. Saudi pumping stations. UAE power plants. Oman oil storage. You haven't mentioned any of these.

Back to Azerbaijan - your own explanation convicts Iran. Claiming the strikes were due to "bad intel about an anti Iran meeting" -- do you even realize what you are saying? That means that Iran chose to fire drones at a target on Azerbaijani soil. That's the definition of an attack. You are proving my point.

And Iran's FM denying it and blaming Israel is precisely what Iran does every single time. They've run that same story dozens of times on attributed strikes. Using that as your defense shows how gullible you are.

Iran denied they shot down Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752, killing 176 civilians; do you believe them? Are you that gullible?

Iran denied launching missiles toward Diego Garcia, calling it an Israeli false flag attack; do you believe them?

Iran's denied its drones strikes on Omani ports, then a day later Iran's FM admitted it and apologized, then the next day Iran fired another volley of drones at Oman. Iran has given up pretending, and they now openly place mines in Omani waters.

Furthermore, your "false flag theory" is flawed. For your "false flag theory" to work, Israel not only launched the drones undetected, but Azerbaijan's own government is either complicit in the lie or they were duped. That's an extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence. Yet you provide zero evidence that Azerbaijan is lying, and zero evidence of Israeli involvement.

Azerbaijan's own Ministry of Defense confirmed the strikes by four Iranian drones. The Azerbaijani Foreign Ministry confirmed a drone hit near a school. Iran denies it because that is their MO, not because it didn't happen.

There were two sentences. I looked into the second sentence.

It's the more interesting case precisely because it was an outlier with no US bases, US assests, et al.

> your own explanation convicts Iran.

Not my explanation, see the linked discussion.

> ... do you believe them? Are you that gullible?

Tell me more about when you stopped beating your wife.

> then the next day Iran fired another volley of drones at Oman.

I believe I looked into Azerbaijan which may have been hit by an independent IRG cell, IIRC Oman is an entire other country.

> Furthermore, your "false flag theory" is flawed.

Not my theory - see the linked discussion.

> Iran would largely be left to itself if it did not pursue hostile foreign policy against countries in the region.

Yes, yes.

Like it was left to itself in the 50s and 70s.

Cool story bro.

> That policy will lead to world peace, since there will be no world left to live in.

You know what does not lead to world peace? A situation where the US believes it has free pass to bomb other countries and interfere on them unchecked.

Iran has attacked

Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Jordan, Iraq, Türkiye, Azerbaijan, Cyprus

completely unprompted, this year. Each of these countries had peaceful relations with Iran, prior to Iran attacking them. Oman was negotiating on Iran's side to resolve the conflict with Israel, yet Iran bombed them anyway. Azerbaijan has no ties to the Israel/US/Iran conflict. Yet Iran shot attack drones at a school in Azerbaijan anyway.

Should such a country be trusted with nuclear weapons?

> Iran has attacked

It has been attacked prior to that.

You keep pretending Iran is the agressor here.

It is actually defending itself, attacking countries in its vicinity that harbor US forces.

> completely unprompted, this year

US bombed Iran amidst negotiations, before Iran attacked those countries.

You have a very interesting notion of what "unprompted" means.

> Should such a country be trusted with nuclear weapons?

Are you talking about the US?

I certainly don't think it can be trusted with any weapons.

> You keep pretending Iran is the agressor here.

> It is actually defending itself, attacking countries in its vicinity that harbor US forces.

Azerbaijan has no US military bases, it has no Israeli military bases, it has no ties to the current conflict, yet Iran still fired drones at a school in Azerbaijan, completely unprompted.

Oman was negotiating a peace agreement between Israel and Iran, it was actively advocating on the side Iran for a peace deal, Oman tried their hardest to remain neutral towards Iran in this conflict, yet Iran betrayed them and still fired drones at ports in Oman in the opening days of the war.

Iran has attacked all of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates (UAE), Jordan, Iraq, Türkiye, Azerbaijan, Cyprus just this year.

Iran's actions betray each of your claims.

Iran makes poor foreign policy decisions. Iran made the conscious choice to attack these countries. Iran chooses a hostile foreign policy toward its neighbors. None of these countries want conflict with Iran, all of them want peace, yet Iran attacks them anyway.

> China distills and is therefore possibly not that competent.

I heard that argument more than one year ago, when chain of thought and reasoning cycles started to be hudden to protect against distillation.

Meanwhile, models as DeepSeek and MiMo are nothing short of excellent nowadays.

Ever since I switched away from OpenAI to DeepSeek I never felt the need to go back.

Deepseek Flash V4 really was a "holy shit" moment and deserves the praise/hype it's been getting from users. I have a multi-tier subscription strategy I've maintained for the last year of: 1. $20-$30 plan from first Claude now Codex for "SOTA" 2. Gemini via the extra $10/mo or so from my Google One plan 3. a cheap fallback plan.

Together it gives me plenty of head room/model performance for $40ish/mo, plus letting me compare the various models over time.

Originally I'd been using the Z.AI plan (that I'm still grandfathered into for <1 yr) as my cheap plan but wasn't keeping up with the SOTA progress and is slow/limited now. So I subscribed to the Opencode Go plan and use Deepseek Flash V4 almost exclusively and it is insane how much usage I can get for $10/mo.

I did the math on my Flash usage vs. what I'm paying Opencode and I'm typically not even exceeding $10 in API costs! So it's actually sustainable not rugpull pricing at least for me. I can pound it with requests/agentic loops and have it running for 30 min doing whatever the fuck and check back and have spent literal pennies for what would have cost $30+ on my work's Github Copilot plan.

I know enterprise world works under different rules and isn't price sensitive in the same ways as an individual but I truly don't see how this is sustainable for the US AI giants in the long term to maintain like 25x+ markup for 1.25x performance benefit.

IMO it does help explain the recent emphasis on secret, scary "super models" like Mythos to muddy the waters for decision makers with hype and FOMO at at time when companies are beginning to seriously scrutinize their token spending for the first time.

Man, I decided to try DS with a healthy dose of skepticism.

I canceled ChatGPT because I would be on vacations. Codex was pretty great, but I thought "Let me put 10 bucks on Deepseek API and plug it into Claude Code".

I was completely blown away. I found it even better than Claude or Codex. And those 10 bucks? It lasted for more than a month.

I don't see myself coming back to Claude/OpenAI.

Agreed. I’ve cancelled all plans except OpenCode Go. OpenRouter for API spend. Feels so nice to a) not feel like I have to code when I don’t want to just because I need to make my subscription worth the cost and b) know that this level of performance won’t be yanked away. Super pleased with DeepSeek V4 Pro.

Especially here on HN, where AI anxiety (especially amongst those that are really nervous that it needs to succeed) is very, very tiresome.

lol CEOs in jail.

And, thankfully, I never needed to have a discussion on Chinese politics with LLM in all the myriad of uses I had for it.

I actually experience 4.8 as worse than 4.6 for everyday coding tasks.