Find me a boss that believes this (and has their own boss believing them/it enough that they don't force them to maintain the status quo) and I'll go work for them and then recruit you.

Less jokingly, there are two problems here; one that this sort of embedded culture is very slow to move (especially given that the powers that be are often from prior eras of culture) and secondly that I believe there are actively people of THIS generation who still believe in or at least pay sufficient tribute to the "butts in seats, work long hours" mindset. (I reference family members in finance, and managers I've had at software bigcos in the past spouting such wonderful quotes as 'I can't advocate him (a high performing engineer) for a promotion because he's full remote and it sets a bad precedent' and 'You need to increase your throughput. (me) You realize I'm already working 13 hour days. (him) Work harder.')

Many companies are in a mild version of a Malthus/Schumpeter trap.

They live on an essentially negotiated resource level that will go down year by year. They've managed to careen into a business model where the income stream is latched and ever so slightly declining. It's like they are an airplane on an engine-out landing.

This happens A Lot. I won't say you don't want to work for them, but there's almost no chance of actually innovating or "selling" their way out of this trap. There are two ways out - acquisition and closing the doors.

> Find me a boss that believes this (and has their own boss believing them/it enough that they don't force them to maintain the status quo)

See my HN profile if you're looking for that combo. :)

any chance you are looking for fresh grads (in Canada) ?

Ask them on the interview.

It will be a red flag to dysfunctional companies who think you don't want to work hard.

Employees at good companies will be proud that they don't overwork.

This is true in my case. We work 8 hour days, 5 days per week, and I always mention it when interviewing candidates. We're proud of the fact that we can ship a successful product without working the team to constant exhaustion.

I actually ask on the first call now. Saves a tremendous amount of time.

My company fully believes in this (although many people choose to work more because they are Type A and love their work--their decision).

The hard part is convincing candidates we're not BSing them about this, or our benefits. Especially ones from sweat shops that have clearly been scarred by the experience and suspect everyone is lying to them to trap them.

> My company fully believes in this (although many people choose to work more because they are Type A and love their work--their decision).

Peer pressure, whether actual or imagined, will keep people from leaving when they should if others are working longer. I have in the past told people to go home even if they wanted to keep working - this is the only way to actually respect the work/life balance of their peers.