I hate clojure, but that complaint is EXACTLY what I was thinking must drive clojure users to it in the first place. Clojure just seems dumb because the jvm is such a hassle and bloated, sbcl is incredible, racket is good, guile is incredible, etc plenty of other lisp environments, why waste time on java?

I hope kotlin native is as good as scala native. I don't care about kotlin vs Java, but kotlin vs scala native is HUGE to me.