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> One of the presidential candidates wants to tear down all the stuff you pointed out.

Biden is not going to change anything NSA-related, do not delude yourself and do not mistake electioneering frenzy for policy.



Under Biden's vice presidency, the NSA's collection of Americans' data reduced. Email metadata collection stopped in 2010 before the Snowden leaks, and phone metadata collection reduced after.

He seems consistent on this issue. Prior to his stint as VP, he complained about metadata collection by the GWB administration. https://youtu.be/h2qgU8kJt-0


Of course he complained about data collection by the administration his political enemies are running. The question is what happened when he was running it. So far you said "reduced" - reduced how? PRISM still exists, doesn't it? And there are many more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_government_mass_survei...

So the question is not whether Joe Biden ever grandstanded on the topic - I'm sure he did, as every politician would. The question is what he had done about it when he was Senator and VP - specific actions attributable to him? Because if he has been consistent to paying lip service to the issue while not doing anything in practice - it is prudent to expect the same consistency to extend into the future.


> reduced how?

I told you in the GP post. The email metadata program was shut down, and the phone metadata collection was reduced.

> PRISM still exists,

PRISM does not collect Americans' data.

> The question is what he had done about it when he was Senator and VP - specific actions attributable to him?

Again, I told that to you.


Which email metadata program specifically, how you know Biden personally had anything to do with shutting it down and how do you know there's no other programs such as Room 641A, MUSCULAR, etc. that can do the same? Same for phone metadata - what Biden had to do with it and how do we know it actually was reduced and not just changed codename?

You haven't told me anything in fact except that some things supposedly happened while Biden was a VP.


> Which email metadata program specifically

There was only one in the leaks. That one.

> how do you know there's no other programs

If there were any, Snowden would have leaked those instead of a program that had already been shut down.

> how do we know it actually was reduced and not just changed codename?

Because laws were changed, and oversight was added that showed how many metadata records the NSA requested from the telcos.

> how you know Biden personally had anything to do with shutting it down

Does it matter if he was personally in charge or if he delegated? Collection of Americans'metadata shrunk while he was VP.




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