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I have been a proponent of GrapheneOS, but seeing this on HN has made me uneasy:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28095033 (Log in to HN and enable "showdead" in your HN profile to see all comments)

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28095108

At that time, I wasn't entirely sure what was going on, but I did some more research and found this:

- https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a...

- https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode....

This kind of behavior is limiting the success of GrapheneOS, and there needs to be a Linus-style intervention (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698) to get the project back on good terms with the rest of the Android ROM community.



> I have been a proponent of GrapheneOS

It's common for CalyxOS folks to claim to be a proponent / user of GrapheneOS or member of our community in order to spread misinformation about it or act badly in order to make the project look bad. You saying that doesn't make it true. It has become quite extreme:

https://github.com/bromite/bromite/discussions/1186

> https://github.com/AOSPAlliance

AOSP Alliance is simply CalyxOS and they made a unilateral decision to kick us out of the organization after we brought up the misinformation and harassment they've engaged in towards GrapheneOS. They invented completely false claims and their highly dishonest and malicious behavior towards us including this incident where cdesai (lead developer of CalyxOS) churned out lies about and unilaterally kicked us out of a 'collaborative' project without consulting anyone else is a clear example of their behavior.

> This kind of behavior is limiting the success of GrapheneOS, and there needs to be a Linus-style intervention (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18000698) to get the project back on good terms with the rest of the Android ROM community.

That's what needs to happen with CalyxOS and their relentless, vicious attacks on GrapheneOS including here, and including you spreading them on their behalf. They've engaged in substantial bullying and harassment targeting me in particular and we have ample evidence of that including the screenshots / logs where the leader of the organization (Nick) engages in vicious bullying targeting me for my depression and attempting to gaslight me repeatedly over a period of months. He very explicitly pretended to be a friend, as did cdesai, on order to get in a position where they could cause more harm to us and myself in particular.


Since you're the founder and lead developer of GrapheneOS, your unfounded accusations against other HN users are tarnishing the credibility of the project. There is no justification for any of these attacks (from the links above) that you posted on HN:

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28099846

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28101158

- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28101118

(Log in to HN and enable "showdead" in your profile to view them.)

Branding people who disagree with you as "malicious" and "spreading misinformation", and accusing them of being affiliates of other projects, will earn GrapheneOS more opposition than support. I support just about any FOSS project, but I will never endorse the type of hostility that's being shown here.

Please reconsider the way you communicate publicly. HN and other forums are full of potential GrapheneOS users, and toning down the abrasiveness would only serve to improve the adoption of GrapheneOS.


Heh, so I figured it was some random followers, but strcat seems to actually be the founder:

https://github.com/thestinger

https://daniel.micay.dev/

Which is honestly surprised me.


Why is that everyone who disagrees with you is automatically 'engaging in bullying'? Do you not see the irony here?


I don't see anything wrong there. But I thought Linus' behavior was fine as well. Perhaps I'm in the minority.


Or say (OpenBSD) Theo-style?


I doubt that Micay gives a good goddamn about the rest of the Android "ROM" scene — the ones that can rarely allow a secure boot, these are the ones we're referencing, right?


That's fine, the project devs of GrapheneOS (I assume that's who Micay is?) can do what they please, but when your comments adds needless disparaging remarks, it outlines the exact point I made above. When I see this, I really don't want to be associated with such a community, nor would I recommend it to anyone else.


> disparaging remarks

Mentioning a project breaking the security model of the project they're kang'ing is disparaging?

Have a good day, there.




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