No it's just copying. Copying is not "theft" or "piracy" unless you prove that there is a loss. Arguing that investment return should be a guarantee is kind of creepy. Honestly, story telling has never been so expensive.
There's always a rogue fringe in the population. No matter how many laws you introduce, these law are only going to inconvenience the majority of the population. America has this great trend of over-criminalizing everything and for what ? The content industry represents what, 1% of the GDP ?
I'm not saying that if everybody would use TPB is wouldn't be bad for the content industry but last time I saw their numbers, they never have made as much profit. If it weren't for TPB&friends, we would probably not have Spotify or Netflix because the pressure wouldn't be there. The rogue people have always been useful in history to challenge status quo and we should cut them some slack. This is where the freedom kicks in.
Also, by repeating these terms of "piracy" and "theft", you are playing right in the hands of the hollywood PR. It's not aligned with reality and oversimplifies the complexity of what is going on. That's why I'm reacting. I'm sick of seeing the same biased ideas repeated by intelligent people that sound exactly as coming from hollywood.
Please, can't we just have more tolerance for each-other ?
You are asking for more tolerance, but blindly ignoring the fact that artists are asking you to pay them for their content. Don't believe that? Or think downloading the music is acceptable as long as you go see them in concert?
Also asking for an investment on a return is creepy? Isn't that kind of what you do for work? I'm investing in the fact I'm going to get paid at the end of the month in return for time I put in at the office every week.
Don't generalize artists. Of all the artists I know in person (a couple dozen; many of them published and touring) none of them support this legislation, and some are radical opponents of intellectual property.
I'm not saying at all they support SOPA, I am saying that I'm sure most of them would like you to pay for their music instead of downloading it for free, just like you or I would like to be paid at the end of the day for our work.
Also I'm not sure why I'm being down voted, but why is it that everyone believes artists/musicians etc, just in the last 10 years or so don't deserve to be paid now that their works are easily duplicatable via the internet? Just because we don't like the big music companies and how they do business doesn't seem to justify not paying for music. We all seem to hate Comcast and AT+Ts service, yet we still pay them because there isn't an easy way to get free cellphone service, or free internet to our houses. So using piracy as a way to 'stick it to the man' sounds like a cop out and a reason to get free music, otherwise you would be boycotting Comcast and your cellphone company too.
> I'm not saying at all they support SOPA, I am saying that I'm sure most of them would like you to pay for their music instead of downloading it for free
No, then you really seem to have never met artists. 90% of these bands have albums that are downloadable through SoundCloud or other mediums. They share they stuff very openly, and are huge pirates themselves, and support the Remix culture in multiples ways.
CDs for them are merch. Their money come from playing in venues and holding day jobs. And there's nothing too terrible about that.
No one here even discussed the thought that musicians don't deserve to be paid. Wide-scale piracy is not a way to "stick it to the man." This is not a teen angst movement. Pirating is so massively done because it's convenient. There aren't millions of people out there who hate Sony or Virgin and download music/videos just to cause them to lose potential profits.
Juxtaposing a communication service (ATT/Comcast) to a "product" (music) is not even a valid comparison. You can't pirate ATT/Comcast; maybe you can pirate software they have developed, but that's about the extent that you can compare them.
I apologize if this is double post, my connetion cut out.
This is true. Which is why I wish all of these long winded essays from The Pirate Bay and others along the lines of 'information wants to be free', really would just be replaced by 'I want what I want when I want it, and as cheap as I want it'.
Piracy by people in the US is still huge even though a lot of major content is easily available via Netflix, iTunes, Amazon et al. But that is always going to lose out when it is being given away for free somewhere else.
Yet, some artists and developers are happy to release downloads straight after the release. Some are happy for you to pay what you want, rather than some standard retail price.
Yup, it is great Phish lets you record their livesets, it is their choice. It is also the choice of Anthony Hamilton to ask you not to copy his new CD without paying for it. Artist choice, not consumer.
There's always a rogue fringe in the population. No matter how many laws you introduce, these law are only going to inconvenience the majority of the population. America has this great trend of over-criminalizing everything and for what ? The content industry represents what, 1% of the GDP ?
I'm not saying that if everybody would use TPB is wouldn't be bad for the content industry but last time I saw their numbers, they never have made as much profit. If it weren't for TPB&friends, we would probably not have Spotify or Netflix because the pressure wouldn't be there. The rogue people have always been useful in history to challenge status quo and we should cut them some slack. This is where the freedom kicks in.
Also, by repeating these terms of "piracy" and "theft", you are playing right in the hands of the hollywood PR. It's not aligned with reality and oversimplifies the complexity of what is going on. That's why I'm reacting. I'm sick of seeing the same biased ideas repeated by intelligent people that sound exactly as coming from hollywood.
Please, can't we just have more tolerance for each-other ?