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> The amount of work it would take just to account for all the copyrights, let alone negotiate and compensate the creators, would be infeasible.

Your argument is the same as Facebook saying “we can’t provide this service without invading your privacy” or another company saying “we can’t make this product without using cancerous materials”.

Tough luck, then. You don’t have the right to shit on and harm everyone else just because you’re a greedy asshole who wants all the money and is unwilling to come up with solutions to problems caused by your business model.



This is bigger than the greed of any group of people. This is a technological sea change that is going to displace and obsolesce certain kinds of work no matter where the money goes. Even if open models win where no single entity or group makes a large pile of money, STILL the follow-on effects from wide access to models trained on all public data will unfold.

People who try to prevent models from training on all available data will simply lose to people who don’t, and eventually the maximally-trained models will proliferate. There’s no stopping it.

Assume a world where models proliferate that are trained on all publicly-accessible data. Whatever those models can do for free, humans will have a hard time charging money for.

That’s the sea change. Whoever happens to make money through that sea change is a sub-plot of the sea change, not the cause of it.

If you want to make money in this new environment, you basically have to produce or do things that models cannot. That’s the sink or swim line.

If most people start drowning then governments will be forced to tax whoever isn’t drowning and implement UBI.


Maybe the machines will just pay for more of leisure time as they were originally designed to do? It may just be as simple as that?

Remember the 4 hour work week ? Maybe we are almost there ?

Let’s face it, most people in a developed country have more free time than they know what to do with, mostly spent in HN and social median ofc :)


Check out the short story Manna by Marshall Brain for some speculative fiction on exactly these subjects.

https://marshallbrain.com/manna1


>Tough luck, then. You don’t have the right to shit on and harm everyone else just because you’re a greedy asshole who wants all the money

It used to be that property rights extended all the way to the sky. This understanding was updated with the advent of the airplane. Would a world where airlines need to negotiate with every land-owner their planes fly above be better than ours? Would commercial flight even be possible in such a world? Also, who is greediest in this scenario, the airline hoping to make a profit, or the land-owners hoping to make a profit?


Your comment seems unfair to me. We can say the exact same thing for the artist / IP creator:

Tough luck, then. You don’t have the right to shit on and harm everyone else just because you’re a greedy asshole who wants all the money and is unwilling to come up with solutions to problems caused by your business model.

Once the IP is on the internet, you can't complain about a human or a machine learning from it. You made your IP available on the internet. Now, you can't stop humanity benefiting from it.


Talk about victim blaming. That’s not how intellectual property or copyright work. You’re conveniently ignoring all the paywalled and pirated content OpenAI trained on.

https://www.legaldive.com/news/Chabon-OpenAI-class-action-co...

Those authors didn’t “make their IP available on the internet”, did they?


First, “Plaintiffs ACCUSE the generative AI company.” Let’s not assume OpenAI is guilty just yet. Second, assuming OpenAI didn’t access the books illegally, my point still remains. If you write a book, can you really complain about a human (or in my humble opinion, a machine) learning from it?




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