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all apple needs, to kill surface laptops entirely, is to enable windows to run on m series laptops without issues.

I don't know why the downvotes, maybe someone can chime in if there is more to surface laptop? because i am using one laptop, and much prefer to use windows on M4 macbook pro instead.



I’m not sure that many people want Windows badly enough they would get an Apple device and remove the original OS so they could run Windows.

From my personal experience, Widows users in general don’t mind Windows, but, definitely, nobody I have ever met finds it more desirable than macOS.


The games industry remains a hotbed of people that vehemently hate Apple, even those that have never touched a Mac.

Part of it historically was a sort of Visual Studio induced Stockholm Syndrome, where for a long time if you were doing C++ work that was the only sane way to go.

There are some companies that even filter potential employees on this basis.


Apple leaves gamers alone, it does not even attempt to be a nontrivial gaming platform and makes no promises. Why would gamers and gamedevs hate it? It just doesn't exist in their market.


Its a computer. People are gonna try and play computer games on it.


Was Sony making their MIPS workstations when they introduced their MIPS-based PlayStation? Sounds like a nice distinction between work and play. ;-)


Curiously the Sega game Columns was licensed from the HP UX original.


From the noises that occur whenever you force a Windows loving gamedev to use a Mac the first major "problem" is mouse acceleration.


Which companies?


Sounds like a nice blacklist to have.


Don't have to remove anything. This used to be possible on Macs with bootcamp as they called it.


Bootcamp was a hedge when Apple was a lot less dominant than it is now.

When Apple transitioned from PowerPC to Intel, it wasn’t clear that was going to work. Being able to boot into Windows was sort of an insurance policy that’s no longer necessary.


It made migration from Windows to Mac easier. Now that Office can run in a browser and the Mac has first tier support for the desktop version, and a lot more of the usual software is delivered either as web applications or portable apps on top of a browser runtime, being able to boot Windows is a lot less relevant.


wine already runs on Mac so really they would just need something like dxvk to have a package similar to proton

To be honest if Apple wanted to they could work with valve to make gaming on Mac a reality

To some degree it should already be possible with wine + dxvk + moltenvk


Oh man I'd pay premium for a sleek device like this that CAN'T run Windows or Mac OS. Just a mere thought of being able to run pure Linux on that sweet sweet apple silicon with full driver support makes my juices flowing.


FYI: Apple added support for Linux containers to macOS Tahoe [1].

[1]: https://github.com/apple/container


There will never be an Apple Silicon device without the ability to run an Apple OS.

Just run MacOS.


I know and I'd rather just stop using modern tech than willingly go back to Apple or Microsoft software.


Who cares about Windows anymore?

Kids are happy with iOS/Android devices

Google docs solves 90% of Office use cases


Google Docs might handle 50% of people who use Office, but I doubt if it handles 25% of Office use cases. Few use every feature of Office but someone uses every feature of Office and all those power user cases that are different can’t be handled by Google Docs. Or even Web Office.


many people do. i work for Microsoft and don't have option to use mac os


Well, last I checked most people don't work for MS so I reckon their experience might be a bit different


I believe you’re being downvoted because your logic is from 20+ years ago when Windows compatibility was important.

Also the era when companies were trying to “kill” each other’s devices is no longer a thing.

They all get the reality it’s a multi device world and they need to work within it.


I assume you’re downvoted because Microsoft has to want that.




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