I see a lot of sentiment against the post-WW2, american, timber-based style of construction on HN and I've never really understood it.
I view modern american residential construction as a model of efficiency. Why build a house out of brick or stone when timber is completely sufficient, and the latter is much, much cheaper to come by? It's not like timber just magically stops working one day - there are plenty of houses in older parts of the US that are 100+ years old. Any argument along the lines of "they don't build them like they used to" is likely ignoring survivorship bias among older homes.
And for the record, ceilings over 8FT are not a luxury item in the US. Any major home improvement store sells framing lumber and drywall in a variety of sizes over 8FT long:
That attitude goes back at least to Thomas Jefferson. Here's a letter he wrote in 1791:
A country whose buildings are of wood, can never increase in its improvements to any considerable degree. There duration is highly estimated at 50 years. Every half century then our country becomes a tablua rasa, whereon we have to set out anew, as in the first moment of seating it. Whereas when buildings are of durable materials, every new edifice is an actual and permanent acquisition to the state, adding to is value as well as to its ornament.
Any argument that wooden houses last 100+ years is ignoring survivorship bias :) But even granting that, 100 years is not a very long time - just over one lifetime. If your parents lived in a wooden house, your children will need to build a new one.
I agree with you that 100 years is not very long - I chose that number because a lot of communities in America aren't a lot older than that. The idea of a suburb didn't really catch on until after WWII, so we don't really have much data on those beyond 60 years. And even beyond that, a lot of areas in the midwest/west weren't very settled until around the turn of the century, so permanent structures from before then are not common.
> There duration is highly estimated at 50 years. Every half century then our country becomes a tablua rasa, whereon we have to set out anew, as in the first moment of seating it.
Maybe this was rhetoric (? who was that letter addressed to, and what was his purpose in writing it?), but I can't fathom the thinking that the entire country's buildings would simultaneously fail, in lockstep, every 50 years.
It doesn't have to be simultaneous. If buildings last about 50 years, then in 50 years you're going to have completely different set of buildings. You'll have no influences to draw on from 50+ years ago.
I actually like European houses because they have a sense of being of a longer timespan than I am, it reminds me that I'm transient in a much slower changing world.
Seeing the cities change around me faster than I can absorb those changes always weirds me out. In Europe you have that too in areas where there is a lot of construction but it only gets to me with places that I know well. I remember almost driving into a tree when I rounded a corner into Amsterdam one fine weekday morning and saw a - new to me - very large building that had been built during my stay in Canada. Of course for people that had seen it built it arrived very slowly but for me it might as well have popped out of the ground.
So you can imagine what I feel when I'm in North America.
That's an interesting viewpoint that I hadn't really considered before.
Of course, the US as a whole just isn't that old compared to most of Europe. So it's hard for us to have buildings that are 300 or 500 years old - because no one was here that long ago. Not saying our current buildings won't last that long, we just don't know yet. And the idea that they are just going to crumble to the ground one day because they are made of wood seems a bit misguided to me.
Indeed. My house is ~150 years old and made of wood, much of it original. Even large sections of the hardwoods are believed to be original or relatively close to it. Certainly the newest section of hardwood predates the addition of radiator based heat (based on scorch marks from a wood burning stove)
In my neighborhood, the #1 reason for similarly aged wooden houses to be torn down is simply because developers want to build multi-level, multi-unit condo buildings.
I view modern american residential construction as a model of efficiency. Why build a house out of brick or stone when timber is completely sufficient, and the latter is much, much cheaper to come by? It's not like timber just magically stops working one day - there are plenty of houses in older parts of the US that are 100+ years old. Any argument along the lines of "they don't build them like they used to" is likely ignoring survivorship bias among older homes.
And for the record, ceilings over 8FT are not a luxury item in the US. Any major home improvement store sells framing lumber and drywall in a variety of sizes over 8FT long:
http://www.menards.com/main/c-13132.htm?criteria3_facet=2%22...
http://www.menards.com/main/c-5656.htm?criteria5_facet=9%27&...